Ha. It’s been over 3 weeks since since the first round bell. Everyone has gone home with more important things to do.
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There is a reason why this thread is read only 😂
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Indeed.
I started reading it but it rapidly came down to “Honest Guv, it’s not our fault” or “Yourhead did it and ran away”.
I’m not a proper developer as such, so some of the technical aspects are outwith my experience, but quite a few things don’t sound/feel right. Also, I’ve always found Isaiah to be quite open and straight-forward, Dan more of a salesman full of great promises but little delivery.
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And as far as I can see no commenting on his post is allowed. That’s fair isn’t it - NOT.
Far from taking a step back as he suggested he doing he is just reiterating all the mis-directions, might I even say lies, and blame stuff that he has put out before
It does seem somewhat anti-Yourhead.
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I just hope that @isaiah ignores all this rubbish. We’re with you all the way Isiah.
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I dont doubt that Dan/RM have had their own struggles (and their version of the story) but his tone the last couple of months where he comes off as completely innocent and victimized rings a little hollow. I think he wants these roadmaps to provide transparency but it almost does the opposite if it doesn’t sound genuine.
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As far as I understand, Apple is deprecating WebKit at some stage soon, which will break RapidWeaver older versions. So to keep using RW8 or older for as long as possible, you’d need to keep a computer in a working state and never apply any future Apple or RW updates. Of course, any referenced external libraries inside a stack or plugin may also stop working anytime, breaking a current stack. If a developer does not update an old existing RW stack, it will cease to work.
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LOL you’re agreeing with a falsehood. Perhaps the creators/admins of this forum would like to introduce themselves and the products the develop or have in the past.
Just to keep everyone who thinks they’re ITK to actually be ITK on something.
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Your posts would have been deleted on the community forum already.
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That’s hilarious. I do notice that the post I was replying to head mysteriously disappeared so I can kinda see what you’re crying about Michael. Re conspiracies, there are some (not everybody lol) who have spun some tales/accusations without attribution or proof.
I’m 💯 here for facts. From those who know them. The comment I responded to a post (summarizing here) that said there were no developers posting here in this forum. Still waiting for maybe a pinned list of admins so everyone can be clear. Are you against that Mark? It’d be nice if all developers would identify themselves so everyone understands their knowledge.
IMO, most of this whole RM v Stacks convo has gotten too emotional, mainly by everyone but Dan & Isaiah. Personally, I’m cheering on everyone’s success. I hope Isaiah delivers a kickass app and RW9 does the same.
Edit: sorry. Not removed. Just doesn’t show in reply on mobile. Maybe some do see my original post in reply. All Forum software are weirdly different.
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I’m a developer.
Perhaps you’ve heard of Stacks?
😁
If you have any questions about anything I posted an AMA here this evening.
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Hmmmm… sounds familiar 😉
btw, it was suggested I put my original idea in a more succinct way:
Users think that RW4ALL is ran by independent users. However, it was started by a developer and still ran by developers. I just wanted to set that record straight.
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Users think that RW4ALL is ran by independent users
No one has said that except for you in this comment. You have not put your previous point in a more succinct way, you have changed the thrust of the point completely. It was about being independent of any one developer, i.e. not a covert sales pitch.
RW4ALL has two Admins, @Marten and myself. Neither of us have ever used the forum to sell anything nor have we promoted any of our own products via the forum (check back as many posts as you like)
Developers on here are moderators (that includes Stacks & Project vendors), it is made clear to all developers that the purpose of this forum is to support users. The main rule is that suggesting or pushing their products on a thread that is asking a question about another developers product is not allowed (which was the main reason for its existence in the first place).
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I’ve not found any proof to RM’s claim that WebKit will be deprecated. UIWebView and WebView have been deprecated for some time, and you can’t even issue any new apps to the App Stores that use them, but I’ve not heard of any announcements that WKWebView will be deprecated.
In fact, Apple urges devs to replace UIWebView and WebView with WKWebView in projects. They wouldn’t do that if they’d already have a replacement handy.
WKWebView also got a pretty nice update last year at WWDC.
As per my last post, @marten and myself are Admins. Marten is the people person and I do the technical stuff on the server. Both of our category groups have only ever been used for support and never promoted a single thing, ever.
We pay for this forum for the benefit of all and have never abused the trust or asked anyone else to contribute. It is not a political statement or in competition with any other forum.
All the developers who are moderators are listed in the screenshot below. There is no agenda here and no secrecy. Perhaps you would like to become a moderator? Perhaps you would like to declare your interest in working for Chillidog who has a clear interest in RW? This is all just ridiculous but if you want to make accusations, particularly about me who I thought you knew, then I will post for transparency.
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“WebView” (a generic name, but that’s the name it has) is already deprecated. It has been for several years. The replacement on macOS is WKWebView.
WebKit, the framework, is not deprecated.
WKWebView is a much more secure browser view. And since security is one of Apple’s top-line features these days, they want to strongly encourage developers to go to WKWebView.
Unfortunately, like many of Apple’s security technologies, they’ve made things more secure simply be removing access to many things.
Stacks has used WebView (the old one) for the edit-mode user interface since Stacks v1.0. We make use of a barely documented and often overlooked C-based API to the DOM. In English it means that there’s a super-fast, low-level way to communicate with web pages.
The security implications of this are nearly moot as Stacks Edit-Mode doesn’t support Javascript or even linking.
That said, I was among the first to get excited about WKWebView – and to try it out. Unfortunately in WKWebView there is no way to interact with the DOM (the document object model – the web page renderer) except through Javascript. Enabling Javascript really does affect security. I requested (I’m sure with a great many others) of a way to interact without JS – and WKWebView did deliver a feature. I can now enable JS just for my stuff – but keep JS off for the content being displayed. However JS is still almost 100x slower – yes TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE slower – than the old C-based API.
I’ve since found some more direct ways to pipe in data in large chunks (Web Sockets are pretty amazing), and better ways to implement the JS updates (fewer updates, bigger chunks). This nearly closed the gap. Nearly, but not quite.
But there’s no getting around the speed differential. Even with months of work and careful optimization, it’s still substantially slower than the old way.
For this reason I hold on to these updates and wait patiently until the 3rd or 4th day of WWDC in June of each year, when new WebKit details are released. Then I chat with Brady Eidson on twitter, a friendly WebKit developer, to see if the old WebKit will be included for another year.
While the old way is faster and available I will continue to use it. When it becomes unavailable I’ll be ready with the necessary change well before macOS ships, months later in the fall.
I’m not sure if Apple will remove it soon. As always, I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. :-)
Of course, I’ve told RealMac this all this when they asked – even just recently. I doubt they’ve forgotten. I’m not sure why they’ve chosen to include this. I guess FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) is just an easy way to make people worry. I hope you folks are smarter than all that.
:-)
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I hope you folks are smarter than all that.
No worries, most of us are ;)
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It’s also laid out pretty clearly in the About - RW4ALL page (but who would ever think to look at the About page to find out what a site was about)
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