I noticed that according the the RM forum, the annual price that a RWC user would pay has increased by at least 100% to $79/year. I say at least 100%, because RWC appeared to be on sale most of the last 12 months with 60% off. No justification for the huge price increase has been given.
Also, what happend to all the new features that were promised 12 months ago? Where is all the great stuff that was coming?
Nothing wrong with an anual subscription model justified with genuine new and useful features and capabillity.
It will be interesting to see how much more RM will charge per year for Elements.
New features are factual and there doesnât appear to have been any in the last 12 months as promised.
My pricing judgment would be that its always better to be totally upfront about pricing. Subjectively, I would say that many found the introduction of RWC to be far from upfront about pricing, and the forums lit up with complaints when you changed to an annual subscription (or what ever it is called). Now the strategy seems to be to apply big discounts in the first year and then to double the original price in the second year.
@webdeer if you tell me who is holding that gun to your head and forcing you to buy it, Iâll get the gun out of their hand for you. ;-)
I use the 5 machine licence. I think this is about $120 a year, or summit like that. So a tenner a month. For a product that lets be bill out about ÂŁ2k a month, that seem good value! Of course, hobbyiest might feel differently, but then, they most likely wonât need the 5 machine licence. Either way, no one is forced to pay it (I donât think?) Upgrading is optional, isnât it?
For me itâs the fact that I had over 10 years working with Realmac. To see the whole thing, looking from the outside, implode, is sad and a part of me doesnât want to let go.
That said, I no longer rely on an income from this software so itâs easier to âtryâ to not comment. Obviously I still do. đ
Itâs more to do with new features being promised and then not a single new feature being added, and in addition an effective doubling of the annual cost. Month after month RM mailshots promise of great things to come, yet nothing is delivered.
RWC is now the most expensive web creation App for Mac, yet it does almost nothing without buying additional themes or Stacks andadditional stacks.
RWC after 12 months is stil nothing more than RW8, renamed as RCW or RW9. It is still a legacy feature barren front end for Stacks. In the last 10 years, all of the development has come from the innovative and creative stacks developers, who none of which will allow their stacks to be botched to work with Elements.
Isnât this a load of horssh!te? â not a statement, a question!
Those plugins donât work with the latest macOS, right? And the latest RW doesnât work with older macOS, correct? So doesnât logic dicatetthat the whole argument or even post above is invalid?
And no, not only Apple Silicon, this goes back further too.
Anyway, Iâm out. I wonât join you in these circle jerking (yeah I learned that term from one of your forum members) discussions as it leads nowhere. You need to have the final word anyway, so you can have it. Bye! đ
There are several discussions on here that compare RW to Blocs. The main (only) advantage RW had was the number of Stacks and the established community.
Realmac has destroyed those two advantages and also gone subscription, which Iâm sure they said they never would.
Subscription puts you up against a whole host of Wordpress options.
I just donât get it.
As it stands, I donât see how RW can offer me anything moving forward.
Youâve taken a huge gamble. As a British business, I genuinely hope you do well, but honestly, you donât deserve to :-(
In their defence, the subscription model is quite forgiving. Everything remains functional after your sub expires, only the product updates stop coming in.
Compared to other packages, including a lot of sub based WP plugins, which cease to work entirely once you stop paying your sub, this isnât that bad.
Except they have not lived up to their end of the deal. Continuing product development. Compatibility updates only is not what they promised. Bug fixes has always been free.
Up to RW 8 you bought a license for support until that version was discontinued. That could be a year, or two, or three, depending on the rate of new versions being released.
Now you buy updates for a year, and although you wonât get any updates until you renew that period, your software continues to work after that year ends.
In all honesty, I donât think itâs a bad business model. The chimney needs to smoke, wages need to be paid. The construction guarantees that work continues on RW Classic.
You could even purchase just one year of updates and let it expire until you really need an update. For instance, when Apple changes something that makes RW Classic incompatible with a new version of macOS or something - then you buy another year of updates and - presto! - your issue is resolved.
Itâs the same model that Crossover (Codeweavers) and Parallels use and the same model that the boxed version of Microsoft Office uses. Even macOS used to have this model when it was still a paid OS.
The difference? They donât call it a subscription. But it works the same.
They said they would continue to develop new features. What new features do you use everyday that justify the pricing model and the approximately 62% price increase?
Fool me once shame on you. Full me twice shame on me. I never bought RW9 because nothing was new. I still wonât because nothing is new.
However, even if there was new stuff I still wouldnât upgrade. Over the years RW has become a sloppy bug ridden app, run by a shrewd but untrustworthy owner. Very sad.
Iâm done.
Still not sure about StacksPro. I will probably kick the tires on StacksPro in beta or trial release but no promises on the future. Iâm not sure I even want to deal with any of this noise.
My point being that they said they wouldnât go down that route. Whether you think itâs not too bad is irrelevant: itâs about trust.
And theyâre not offering enough as a product to compete with other subscriptions. Letâs face it; without stacks, itâs garbage.
My site is in Foundation 1 and uses Go CMS. It works, but needs a refresh. I donât trust Realmac.
I donât want to jump ship, but StacksApp is going to die a quick death if it doesnât get the very good marketing done VERY quickly. I realise that might upset some people and thatâs not my intention, but thatâs the way I see things as they stand.
Sadly, itâs never really offered anything other than a host for Stacks. I can see why they wan to rectify that, but I think they ought to have done something with the blog and e commerce to be truly useful.
